tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post1335308708426190885..comments2024-03-26T00:37:34.943+01:00Comments on Venezuela News And Views: Chavez in heavens/paradise (lapsus brutis from the Nazional Guard?)Danielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-3597151454944070422011-12-20T05:30:58.539+01:002011-12-20T05:30:58.539+01:00AIO, one of the parts that got cut off (on the rig...AIO, one of the parts that got cut off (on the right hand side), is a bald eagle either burning in a torch, held up by Venezuelan Indians, or it could be a bald eagle that is just hovering over a flaming torch (see The Devil's Excrement here): http://devilsexcrement.com/2011/12/14/a-gallery-of-chavismo-cursileria-tastelessness/#commentsnicacat56https://www.blogger.com/profile/15873568282772090398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-16644954014708617372011-12-14T23:17:05.991+01:002011-12-14T23:17:05.991+01:00I disagree, Senor Sledge. Chavez is a criminal. He...I disagree, Senor Sledge. Chavez is a criminal. He is a traitor and a liar. He has betrayed Venezuela, the flag, the people, the trust, the treasure. How can he not know this- his excuse is "Give me more time.." Chavez confessed to Castro he wanted to "give up" several times -he claimed. And, Fidel urged him to continue on(after all he's working for Cuba-right?)CharlesCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-29791753504471838802011-12-14T20:00:31.791+01:002011-12-14T20:00:31.791+01:00"but with respect to the pueblo, I hesitate t..."but with respect to the pueblo, I hesitate to go all out and condemn them as just uneducated."<br /><br />Never did i or could i "condemn them", cochonetteinfire, but the fact remains, that by your standards, my standards, any European or North American standards, even Colombian or chile Standards, the Venezuela majority of people are clearly under-educated. And that's the real root of all "evil", or santeria and occultism.. just kiddin'. if 60% of Venezuelans had the slightest clue as to how to spell their last names, not to mention speak another language, or graduate at our prestigious UCV University, Chavez would have never even sniffed power.Sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661701391364214093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-2661238789166123372011-12-14T19:30:33.437+01:002011-12-14T19:30:33.437+01:00"flourescent paint on black velvet"
Bwa..."flourescent paint on black velvet"<br /><br />Bwahahahaha! Awesome! Of course, it would need to have Elvis in there somewhere, but he would hardly seem out of place, as strange as this is.<br /><br />Liz, good point - there is symbolism, so it's hard to interpret. Maybe we should all just let the art "speak to us"...and whatever we hear will be right.AIOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-78162949207656304642011-12-14T19:11:18.419+01:002011-12-14T19:11:18.419+01:00Well, Sledge these are the finer points of a great...Well, Sledge these are the finer points of a greater reality, and either of us could be right, but with respect to the pueblo, I hesitate to go all out and condemn them as just uneducated.<br /><br />I think they have legitimate ways of understanding life that have both good and bad sides...just different from your and mine.<br /><br />The same " mystical" bent that allows them to be used, for the sake of a Narco State, can be channeled into the more uplifting messages of the spirit( not as in entities but as in qualities)...<br /><br />We all know that Chavez is manic depressive but we all know he is also a Santero, and we all know that a large percentage of Venezuelans have a belief in Santerism ...some more than others, and sometimes the power of persuasion is unconscious. That is the power of advertising...you know subliminal messages and all.<br /><br />Not all Chavistas under this spell are uneducated....it really has a life apart from education per se and probably falls more into the categories of culture,and or emotional attachments. <br /><br />In any case when it comes to the opposition and what we can do about it, I really don't think we will be too successful if we ignore this aspect of Venezuela.firepigettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348890269608169297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-38073214700777320062011-12-14T18:54:12.975+01:002011-12-14T18:54:12.975+01:00dear firepiguete, as i wrote before, here or on th...dear firepiguete, as i wrote before, here or on the other blogs, i simply think chavez is a deliosional, disturbed, under-educated pueplo dude with way too much power. He clearly has grandeur delusions, and he's not the first one in history.<br /><br />To me, an uncertified public psychologist.. he's just a moron trying to play Jesus or Bolivar, as that aweful, cheesy painting beatifully illustrates.. The guy has no clue, he thinks he has the highest moral values, and that he's doing the right thing. (I'd love to see his bank accounts worldwide though.. and those of his "friends and family cohorts) But my point remains: He's not a "criminal" himself, or like to see people getting killed everyday, or enjoys the unprecedented level of crime.. nah.. he's just a crazy fool in power, who has no idea as to how to run a country. (I'd love to see him DEAD, make no mistake about that, because he hurts so many people, seriously, yet unknowingly. That's how deranged he is. <br /><br />What more revealing, though, is how many of our people actually believe in the crap he says or does. Again, it goes to show way more that mere gullibility, it's the abysmal lack of education of a majority of Venezuelans who are either bribed, or simply digest Chavez's gross loads of crap. That's the real issue. And it won't go away after the bastard is gone. I'll have to pass on your santeria" and occultism "theories, respectfully, I stick to my down-to-earth theories about that manic and the millions of stupid/undeducated followers who vote for the bastard.Sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661701391364214093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-81985255493931069032011-12-14T17:54:24.401+01:002011-12-14T17:54:24.401+01:00LiZ, lOL...but an even better Freudian slip would ...LiZ, lOL...but an even better Freudian slip would be the gates of hell :)firepigettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348890269608169297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-48570006653469724392011-12-14T17:34:22.968+01:002011-12-14T17:34:22.968+01:00Hey, where's Fidelito?
Nothing about Chavez ha...Hey, where's Fidelito?<br />Nothing about Chavez has meaning<br />without FIdel IN the picture...CharlesCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-63730513768717324272011-12-14T16:53:27.179+01:002011-12-14T16:53:27.179+01:00Cerdita, sí... is kinda my point, but you say it b...Cerdita, sí... is kinda my point, but you say it better. The painter must have meant a lot of things and each of us reads his art in so many different ways.<br /><br />Daniel is probably the one that says it better. The artist sees chávez in the gates of heaven.. why?? lapsus brutis? Freudian slip?Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13409833836497330449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-16789983892511891452011-12-14T16:43:12.236+01:002011-12-14T16:43:12.236+01:00Dear Syd & Liz,
Undoubtedly art is conducive ...Dear Syd & Liz,<br /><br />Undoubtedly art is conducive to subjective interpretation through which intuition functions.Always the subjective element will affect each person in a slightly different way, even though the collective unconscious is carried within us as human archetypes and their symbols have certain agreed upon meanings examples: light, gateways, spirit, the trinity, rebirth etc.<br /><br />Each religion has its symbols, and whether or not the artist intended them to mean something in particular could never be proven without his admission, true, but independently of his intention, are the symbols, which in part have a predictable affect on most individuals....this is how advertising works.<br /><br />Life is always an interplay of the subjective and the objective.<br /><br />In striving to understand something we need to look at both.firepigettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348890269608169297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-19556783961595135362011-12-14T16:03:11.683+01:002011-12-14T16:03:11.683+01:00Anonymous 2.
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Nobody has mentioned the woman sitt...Anonymous 2.<br />.<br />Nobody has mentioned the woman sitting on the brim of what seems to be a golden cup, with Chavez looking very Oriental and gay.<br /><br />This piece has something for everyone.<br /><br />The only things missing are a Unicorn and a depiction of Saturn.<br /><br />It perhaps should have been done with flourescent paint on black velvet so that it glowed in UV light to convey its true intellectual depth for the ganja audience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-16793027194233249542011-12-14T15:29:32.052+01:002011-12-14T15:29:32.052+01:00AIO, obviously the painter is no Michelangelo... n...AIO, obviously the painter is no Michelangelo... no Picasso either!<br /><br />As Syd, I think that interpretations are subjective. But, but, so much symbolism depicted in that horror pic. It's gotta mean something.<br /><br />I guess is just a mix of patriotic, religious and witchery stuff. But not as deep and convoluted as a we may interpret. <br /><br />Disturbing? yes. As everything else in this country nowadays.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13409833836497330449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-82235329727941690862011-12-14T14:48:56.982+01:002011-12-14T14:48:56.982+01:00Wow, this is funny stuff...
My take is that, give...Wow, this is funny stuff...<br /><br />My take is that, given how solid Chavez and the children are compared to Jesus and Bolivar, whom we know have passed on (yet still live), means they are very much in the land of the living. They just have the very important predecessors watching over them. (The native woman in the middle, I can't tell if she's in the here and now or hereafter. If it's the former, it's unintentionally telling that she is looking on, as if wanting help and not getting any.) Agree too that the Carabobo arch with horseman and light represents more than just the battle. Maybe that Bolivar achieved the victory, now it's up to Chavez to lead them beyond it to the "promised land."<br /><br />The biggest laugh for me is how everyone is wearing traditional or ceremonial garb, except for the kid and his baseball cap. Can it be any more out of place? I'm curious about the parts that got cut off. You can see the frame in the bottom left, but not on the right. Granted, it won't be as ridiculous as the rest. One more - look at the ratio of the length of Chavez's arm to the size of his head. WAAAAAAY off, even without the current bloating. I would expect his head to be the bigger one.AIOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-49283974707262510452011-12-14T14:42:54.373+01:002011-12-14T14:42:54.373+01:00It strikes me from the similarities that the artis...It strikes me from the similarities that the artist studied at the Kim Jong Il school of North Korean painting! Especially with the "Dear Leader" deification aspects.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-36321657871756261952011-12-14T14:31:25.074+01:002011-12-14T14:31:25.074+01:00There's no question that the painting offers p...There's no question that the painting offers plenty of material for both simplistic, as well as highly subjective interpretation. <br /><br />The key word is subjective. Third parties not associated with the artist can let their imaginations run rampant, while they pretend to know what's in the artist's head when he or she produced this work of 'art'.<br /><br />One has to be careful with those 3rd party interpretations. For the bulk are subjective.<br /><br />What would be more interesting to me is to have the comments from the artist on his or her work, and to know the background of that artist. For 'whitey' interpretations of, say, indian mythology could be quite askew (to say nothing of galling).sydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-20795291393951381022011-12-14T08:01:12.002+01:002011-12-14T08:01:12.002+01:00Big f'...up by the "artist": Chavez ...Big f'...up by the "artist": Chavez began to use and still does the presidential tri-color banner over the LEFT shoulder, because that's the "socialist shoulder" another of his pet peeves. Same category of him changing the Venezuelan time by HALF an hour, or make the horse run to the left on the new Coat of Arms.<br /><br />I agree with firepigette re the gate to heaven, Carabobo Arch or not, it has another symbol: the bright light, in the form of a torch carried by the horseman, that people see when having a near death experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-9942929304432174722011-12-14T02:29:10.604+01:002011-12-14T02:29:10.604+01:00Daniel,
Don't know.Just speculating on this o...Daniel,<br /><br />Don't know.Just speculating on this one.....<br /><br />Bolivar won the battle of Carabobo which represented liberation or freedom which is connected to the concept of heaven ( a release from suffering and the freeing of the soul). He liberated LA countries from Spanish colonialism but did not achieve his final goal of a gran Colombia.Bolivar wanted the Gran Colombia so in a sense he failed....and this achievement was not lasting.Later he lost power.<br /><br />I believe that Chavez and his followers would like to achieve Bolivar's final goal.So perhaps a portal in this sense indicates a battle or a struggle of some kind...a re vindication of Simon Bolivar.<br /><br />Question : who is that Indian on a horse in front of the arch?Gaicai puro? The central figure in the uprising of all the native tribes ?firepigettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348890269608169297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-49286617136575927562011-12-14T02:00:38.106+01:002011-12-14T02:00:38.106+01:00Sledge,
I also think Chavez is nuts, but within t...Sledge,<br /><br />I also think Chavez is nuts, but within this framework he is a criminal even if an unconscious one.If I steal I steal whether or not I do it out of conscious evil or out of a disordered mind.It is possible that we might not call Chavez evil even though his actions are definitely so, only because there is some level of insanity in his case.<br /><br />In respect to the Santeria stuff the fact that he is nuts is not in conflict with his desire to manipulate either.Now perhaps what you try to say is that he is not a sociopath- maybe- but a criminal he is even if impulsed by a damaged personality structure and manic episodes.<br /><br />There is another possibility to consider as well, maybe he is both insane and bad.There are a lot of insane people out there with bad personalities.firepigettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348890269608169297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-79334203967696100142011-12-14T01:32:09.028+01:002011-12-14T01:32:09.028+01:00El artista que pintó esto es un INMENSO JALADOR o ...El artista que pintó esto es un INMENSO JALADOR o a mi entender si se observa bien la imagen, Cristo con su mano hacia abajo le dice a Hugo, hijo te equivocaste para abajo vas, Bolivar con su espada hacia abajo le dice lo mismo, y de ñapa hay un zamuro volando como esperando algo feo. Los indígenas estan asombrados nunca pensaron que el fulano iba a equivocarse tanto y hasta el final. La Maga LeeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-13633537566735078192011-12-13T23:55:25.042+01:002011-12-13T23:55:25.042+01:00Sledge, I knew that was you.(Did you finish your P...Sledge, I knew that was you.(Did you finish your Phd?)Welcome back.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXCEdrnaFlYCharlesCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-33408395523724909232011-12-13T22:23:20.744+01:002011-12-13T22:23:20.744+01:00Firepiguette nailed it pretty good. This painting ...Firepiguette nailed it pretty good. This painting is pure santeria. When you stop at a permanent GN alcabala, look carefully around and you will quite often find a little altar with the usual characters, Guaicaipuro, el negro Felipe etc, and candles. Then go to Sorte in Yaracuy on a Sunday and talk to the "priests". You will find that an inordinate number of them are GN NCOs.<br /><br />Santeria is to the GN like glove in hand.Charlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-18798575489528966532011-12-13T21:43:25.811+01:002011-12-13T21:43:25.811+01:00And the tactics behind these "pictorials"...And the tactics behind these "pictorials" are nothing new, except for being as tacky as history as ever seen, except perhaps in Iraq, with Huseein's crap street art before they nailed him.. <br /><br />Way before the Egyptians or the Romans, leaders have always manipulated religion and popular heroes to enhance themselves and consolidate their power. Meme en France, partout, "Le Roi Soleil", etc.. It's a very, very old ruse, dating back to the beginning of all civilizations: The Alpha dogs, or political leaders masking themselves as direct connections, or heirs, or even Gods themselves (Ramses and such) with big sculptures, public paintings.. Michelangelo'ordered by the Aristocrats in power, paints God touching a human hand in a rather famous Chapel.. The rhetoric is as barbaric and idiotic as it is laughable, but it has worked for centuries: "I am your ruler, chosen directly by God himself,plus endoresed by your bonafide hero Simoncito Bolivar! Thus, everything I say or do is right, and true. Shut up, in the name of Allah, or whomever, pueblo mio, and.. bend over.. Bonus: Cheap public "art"<br />CISledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661701391364214093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-70320627013956981162011-12-13T21:26:38.645+01:002011-12-13T21:26:38.645+01:00Coincidentally, I had just commented on Miguel'...Coincidentally, I had just commented on Miguel's board: <br /><br />you know what, dear cochonette de feu, i think Chavez is so deranged mentally that he believes he’s the second coming of Jesus Christ, or at least of Simon Bolivar!.. I don’t think he tries to be intentionally “evil”. And to some extent; I think he thinks he follows some basic “catholic” rules, as in thou shall not kill, or rob, and such, from his rural upbringing. I don’t think he likes to see people get killed or robbed. And I don’t think he considers himself a “criminal”, although for all effects and purposes he is,, he’s so delusional he believes he’s doing the right under the blessed tutelage of Jesusito and Bolivar.. he’s just an incompetent, under-educated, megomanial fool with delusions of grandeur.."<br /><br />Artistically speaking, strictly aesthetically, I assure you this painting is nothing more than a piece of crap! Goes to show you the level of "cultural refinement" of Chavez and his followers..<br />CISledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661701391364214093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-31389528603756155422011-12-13T21:18:44.700+01:002011-12-13T21:18:44.700+01:00Bolivar as an aristrocat was gay of course and he ...Bolivar as an aristrocat was gay of course and he liked when he was with his boyfriend to wear feathers in his hair ;-)<br />And thats not Chavez we see here but Conehead, anyone knows the movie?<br />And who is the girl with the big bo..s in the background?<br />Its a very simple painting, very naive. Hope the quality of the paint is as bad as the "artist"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-46666564271656429442011-12-13T21:11:25.698+01:002011-12-13T21:11:25.698+01:00cochonette en feu
The "portal" is the m...cochonette en feu<br /><br />The "portal" is the monumental arch of Carabobo.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.com