tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post8398258609130948184..comments2024-03-26T00:37:34.943+01:00Comments on Venezuela News And Views: And so there were still a few leftDanielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-91866687570161504592011-10-12T21:58:58.225+02:002011-10-12T21:58:58.225+02:00I wonder if Chavez's "polo democratico&qu...I wonder if Chavez's "polo democratico" is an attempt to do what he did before - broaden his support base with no intent of actually catering to them in any way. It's got to be appealing because it worked so well once upon a time, but I can barely comprehend why he would think it might work. Fool me twice, you know.<br /><br />Re: the book title, I only read it (in English, mind you) as "Ten Little Indians," and was not aware it ever had a different title. Fun story, though.<br /><br />I do like Daniel's idea about "10 little Chavistas." That's something I'm tempted to take on, but my brain will not cooperate today. Besides, it should be written by someone with a better grasp of Venezuelan history since 1998 than mine. It would have 10 different ways that persuaded Chavez supporters to abandon him over the years - Tascon list, PPT, etc. How about we just come up with a list of 10, in choronological order, here?AIOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-90296275728088196732011-10-10T21:44:12.973+02:002011-10-10T21:44:12.973+02:00Rabbi,
When I said:
"It also makes it less ...Rabbi,<br /><br />When I said:<br /><br />"It also makes it less likely that Chavez will try to "take out" another contender"<br /><br />I should have said instead that it " could possibly" make it less likely<br /><br />:)firepighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15158275219887987252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-83582081625552972802011-10-10T19:19:58.406+02:002011-10-10T19:19:58.406+02:00I also so believe Leopoldo is doing a very good th...I also so believe Leopoldo is doing a very good thing and enlightening the people of Venezuela-even if he get's no votes. Later on, I hope he lends support to the Candidate chosen and later I hope he is in Government in some post..<br />I am not sure if this will stop Chavez from attacking anyone else though...RabbiBullanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-89397348398991031562011-10-10T17:25:22.605+02:002011-10-10T17:25:22.605+02:00firepigette
true but how many votes does it gain ...firepigette<br /><br />true but how many votes does it gain him?Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-51498374963466059992011-10-10T17:15:00.511+02:002011-10-10T17:15:00.511+02:00Leopoldo is doing extremely important work by keep...Leopoldo is doing extremely important work by keeping the International political pressure on Chavez, making sure he pays a price for eliminating him.It also exposes that the Venezuelan election is not democratic as a primary contender has been unjustifiably eliminated for political reasons.<br /><br />It also makes it less likely that Chavez will try to "take out" another contender he might find too threatening.firepigettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348890269608169297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-42584837863502743592011-10-10T16:05:00.536+02:002011-10-10T16:05:00.536+02:00closest anonymous to this comment:
thank you for ...closest anonymous to this comment:<br /><br />thank you for bringing the topic back on track.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-50651758188036532102011-10-10T16:04:03.982+02:002011-10-10T16:04:03.982+02:00WAC
Just for the record, I read the book in the l...WAC<br /><br />Just for the record, I read the book in the late 70ies, in French, and the title was "10 petits nègres", in an edition that could not have been possibly more than 4-5 years old.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-62061147547301969152011-10-10T13:27:23.972+02:002011-10-10T13:27:23.972+02:00Kepler, much of this discussion is just about a 19...Kepler, much of this discussion is just about a 19th century nursery rhyme, a book by Agatha Christie and the connection with Daniel's post. If anyone wants to find racist undertones in the rhyme, fine, but it is not the point here. It would be interesting to see who disappears next from the opposition list. Will the last one hang himself/herself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-34153037573055956302011-10-10T11:25:02.166+02:002011-10-10T11:25:02.166+02:00"Blame the bloody English, not us! The indian..."Blame the bloody English, not us! The indians (or injuns) was also their idea referring to US natives, feathers and all."<br /><br />Who is "us"?<br />The English? Which English? Actually, what you call "the English" of the XVI-XVII centuries have more to do with those who out of the blue considered themselves US Americans than anything else.<br />Like it is pretty silly from Venezuelans to be blaming it all "on the Spaniards" (almost understood as today's) or of the Spaniards of today to be proud of what THEY brought something to America.<br /><br />Those who did good or evil centuries ago are not us or they in the present. They are long dead. And we can hardly be pointing fingers at some current group for things long past.<br /><br />As for racism in Venezuela: it has always existed, not just from Chávez, not just from any single group. Let's neither minimize it nor maximize it.<br />I do believe we are more easy-going regarding ethnicities and mixtures and all that, but we do have serious problems still. We have gone over this in the past.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-734884462275042592011-10-09T22:53:00.020+02:002011-10-09T22:53:00.020+02:00Goosey,
(Cristóbal) Colón pretendía llegar a las I...Goosey,<br />(Cristóbal) Colón pretendía llegar a las Indias por el lado oeste comprobando que la tierra era redonda y no plana.<br />http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primer_viaje_de_Col%C3%B3nsydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-74384246010023093812011-10-09T21:03:05.995+02:002011-10-09T21:03:05.995+02:00Roger,
Blame the bloody English, not us! The india...Roger,<br />Blame the bloody English, not us! The indians (or injuns) was also their idea referring to US natives, feathers and all. The nigger thing came from the fact that the poem was often performed at shows where minstrels painted their faces black. No disrespect was intended by any of this, I think. <br />M. GooseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-77306121429537224072011-10-09T20:50:18.027+02:002011-10-09T20:50:18.027+02:00I always love the culture clash I see in the Venez...I always love the culture clash I see in the Venezuelan blogs. French and Spanish cultures (and politics) are so very different and I doubt have had the title renamed. Indians was not a much better choice! It also reminds us that Venezuelans can be just as narrow minded on other issues as the rest of us.Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-9950151612923253972011-10-09T19:03:21.349+02:002011-10-09T19:03:21.349+02:00Dear Daniel,
I in no way intimated I was offended...Dear Daniel,<br /><br />I in no way intimated I was offended by the 10 Little Nigger dust jacket. In fact the rhyme has a happy ending. " and then were none."<br /><br />Just because you read the book as a child in the 1950s does not mean that it was written then.<br /><br />Heavens to Betsey, at that rate just think how old I must be. I was forced to read the Bible when I was 10.<br /><br />However the ordeal did do me a great amount of good. I became an athiest after page 8.<br /><br />WACAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-43134858387545903842011-10-09T17:56:56.675+02:002011-10-09T17:56:56.675+02:00Daniel,
Racism, discrimination, xenophobia - all t...Daniel,<br />Racism, discrimination, xenophobia - all these have magnified exponentially during Chávez' regime. But let's not be 'ilusos'. Let's not draw Nirvanas of the past and pretend that a (much) milder version of perjorative optics did not exist prior to Chávez. Especially in inner social circles. Not taking that into account is completely unrealistic.<br /><br />As for the Devon rhyme, the 'o' sounds more like "uh", where the vowel is short. Unlike the dreadful "uh, ah, ...".sydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-55129285796851275492011-10-09T17:16:03.580+02:002011-10-09T17:16:03.580+02:00syd
far from me to state that racism does not exi...syd<br /><br />far from me to state that racism does not exist in venezuela: courtesy of chavez it is quite alive and well!<br /><br />as for the rest, would Tucusiapon (a.k.a. Tacusipon) make for Devon?<br /><br />(running for cover!)Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-70023782859162585862011-10-09T17:07:34.236+02:002011-10-09T17:07:34.236+02:00First, I'm inclined to agree with Rabbibulla. ...First, I'm inclined to agree with Rabbibulla. Venezuelans, like <b>ALL</b> cultures have their little soupçon of discrimmination, however mild. And pretending that mild discrimmination, xenophobia, etc. don't exist, in order to build a defense mechanism, is unrealistic. Having said that, I think that fences in Venezuelan society have not been as tight as those in more northern latitudes. <br /><br />As for Daniel's substitute of "little chavistas" would do perfectly. But may I suggest finding a Venezuelan location that rhymes with "seven"? Devon just doesn't cut it.<br /><br />Then what about a law-related accomplishment that abides with the metrics of "Chancery"?sydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-35038565932224854472011-10-09T16:50:09.961+02:002011-10-09T16:50:09.961+02:00I did not see your last post--I agree with
your st...I did not see your last post--I agree with<br />your statements about Mother Goose<br />poem.RabbiBullanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-64187944309229939832011-10-09T16:47:45.546+02:002011-10-09T16:47:45.546+02:00"mi negro" is a term of affection that p..."mi negro" is a term of affection that p.c. creeps upper north cannot comprehend.<br />B.S. I reject that as a <br />"term of affection"-<br />mi pato?,mi maricon,<br />mi esclavo-mi chavista?<br />I am not anybody's "mi" anything<br />except wife...RabbiBullanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-82969573428575515792011-10-09T16:30:13.294+02:002011-10-09T16:30:13.294+02:00mother goose
thank you for posting the verses. y...mother goose<br /><br />thank you for posting the verses. you cannot just change the verse for whatever because there are some metrics to be respected, although your point is very valid. there were versions which at some point were considered less offensive, such as replacing nigger for injun. go figure...<br /><br />but if you think of it, no matter what you replace nigger with, today it is offensive since the verse would suggest that people are dispensable without any major consequences.<br /><br />then again that is exactly what chavismo does, all are dispensable but el supremo ......<br /><br />10 "little chavistas" anyone?Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-20924374416447250182011-10-09T16:25:43.522+02:002011-10-09T16:25:43.522+02:00wac and wlad
really.....
to begin with, i was bo...wac and wlad<br /><br />really.....<br /><br />to begin with, i was born after 1940 and i read that book with the same title without being offended by it. then again in venezuela "mi negro" is a term of affection that p.c. creeps upper north cannot comprehend.<br /><br />second, it is difficult to put the editor of this blog in the racial prejudiced group since he himself is victim of prejudice, amen of other liberal things he has emitted profusely over the life of this blog which have caused him grief.<br /><br />third, this is a cultural matter and this blog is also about culture and history. or are we supposed to ditch everything that does not conform to p.c. standards of the day, from the bible to uncle tom?<br /><br />if subtlety, if carefully chose worn out book jackets, with appropriate drawings of confused people, if non directly venezuelan things do offend some, my reply is always the same: there are other blogs that may suit your taste better and no one is forcing you to read this rag. i do not write for the simplistic and primitively minded, sorry, there are politicians for that, from some tea partiers to chavez.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-24575100818918027952011-10-09T13:34:11.021+02:002011-10-09T13:34:11.021+02:00Instead of showing a front cover of of a 70 year o...Instead of showing a front cover of of a 70 year old book saying " Ten Little Niggers " perhaps you should have had something more appropriate to the present situatiion in Venezuela.<br /><br />" Gone With The Wind,"<br /><br />WAC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-28146024909317656552011-10-09T13:24:55.478+02:002011-10-09T13:24:55.478+02:00It's from a British nursery rhyme. As such it ...It's from a British nursery rhyme. As such it means someting to those who learned it from their mothers. Others could get the meaning if they tried. Nigger is not important in the context: you can change it for "indian" or "pretty blond girls" or anything else, and the meaning of the rhyme remains the same. It was never meant to be pejorative. One of the "niggers" went to study law at the best place in London, and that's how he dropped out (go figure). I think it is a witty introduction to what Daniel had to say.<br /><br /><br />Ten little nigger boys went out to dine;<br /><br />One choked his little self and then there were Nine.<br /><br />Nine little nigger boys sat up very late;<br /><br />One overslept himself and then there were Eight.<br /><br />Eight little nigger boys travelling in Devon;<br /><br />One said he'd stay there and then there were Seven.<br /><br />Seven little nigger boys chopping up sticks;<br /><br />One chopped himself in halves and then there were Six.<br /><br />Six little nigger boys playing with a hive;<br /><br />A bumble bee stung one and then there were Five.<br /><br />Five little nigger boys going in for law;<br /><br />One got into Chancery and then there were Four.<br /><br />Four little nigger boys going out to sea;<br /><br />A red herring swallowed one and then there were Three.<br /><br />Three little nigger boys walking in the Zoo;<br /><br />A big bear hugged one and then there were Two.<br /><br />Two little nigger boys sitting in the sun;<br /><br />One got frizzled up and then there was One.<br /><br />One little nigger boy left all alone;<br /><br />He went out and hanged himself and then there were None.<br /><br /><br />Yours faithfully,<br />Mother GooseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-28667984224693248002011-10-09T12:13:49.874+02:002011-10-09T12:13:49.874+02:00The title was changed back in the forties
Did not...<i>The title was changed back in the forties</i><br /><br />Did not know that. Interesting. Go to Vz news blog learn about an old best selling mystery novel, life, I like eeet.HalfEmptyhttp://www.rantburg.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-31228616774208213932011-10-09T09:24:18.714+02:002011-10-09T09:24:18.714+02:00OT:
Please do not laugh.
"
Vladimir Putin&#...OT:<br /><br />Please do not laugh.<br /><br />"<br />Vladimir Putin's fake jugs<br />"<br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/10/06/erin-seriously-fake-putin.cnn1979 Boat Peoplenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-47041898607897128522011-10-09T05:10:49.822+02:002011-10-09T05:10:49.822+02:00I confess I don't get it. The title was change...I confess I don't get it. The title was changed back in the forties, way before political correctness became a thing. What is the point in putting up the original?wladnoreply@blogger.com