tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post1730527460682313202..comments2024-03-26T00:37:34.943+01:00Comments on Venezuela News And Views: No “Patria Grande” for Latin America: the Uruguayan exampleDanielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-90480510013024654102014-03-08T13:54:04.322+01:002014-03-08T13:54:04.322+01:00One must, in the extremist view, break many eggs t...One must, in the extremist view, break many eggs to produce an omelette. And the ways of governance are too complicated for the ordinary civil person to comprehend. As long as we give our trust, our money, and children to such luminaries, they assure us, all will be happy in Smurfland. Naturally, the correct persons must be tortured, as sacrifices are required.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-69073651235509631542014-03-08T04:11:58.435+01:002014-03-08T04:11:58.435+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-24860128771335400722014-03-07T17:51:26.231+01:002014-03-07T17:51:26.231+01:00Any move from any government is "injerencia&q...Any move from any government is "injerencia" I think we should let our neighbors clean their mess by themselves. sad but the way we think "if we go and try to mediate then is OK" but if the US intervenes then it is something else. quien entiende al "pueblo"!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-56983654792994026262014-03-07T13:47:54.378+01:002014-03-07T13:47:54.378+01:00No problem, Dano, the article is still up-to-date,...No problem, Dano, the article is still up-to-date, except for "Jaua is presently here", which was of course long ago. Not very long ago, but events are coming so fast, that two days ago is already history!<br />Thank you Boludo Tejano for your entry, quite right Naipaul, we only require for them to keep up speaking and sinking themselves. The only problem: only few people care or notice, unfortunately! Maria Celinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-41894250595807351402014-03-07T06:39:12.330+01:002014-03-07T06:39:12.330+01:00Uruguayan Foreign Affairs Minister, Nicolás Almag...Uruguayan Foreign Affairs Minister, Nicolás Almagro:<br /> <b>“we've never had a double standard with regards human rights as you did.”</b><br /><br />Nobel Prize winning writer V.S. Naipaul would beg to differ with Uruguay's distinguished Minister of Foreign Affairs, at least as regards Argentina, Uruguay's neighbor.<br /> In 1972, Naipaul visited Argentina and wrote about his visit to Argentina in the New York Review article <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1972/aug/10/the-corpse-at-the-iron-gate/?page=3" rel="nofollow">The Corpse at the Iron Gate.</a> Naipaul let the leftist double standard on human rights be exposed by simply letting leftists speak. <br /><br />When Naipaul wrote the article in 1972 the Dirty War- and guerrilla action in Argentina- was just simmering . By 1976 the Dirty War, when Isabel Perón was deposed, the Dirty War was in full boil. From the article: <br /><br /><i>These lawyers had been represented to me as a group working for “civil rights.” They were young, stylishly dressed, and they were meeting that morning to draft a petition against torture. The top-floor flat was scruffy and bare; visitors were scrutinized through the peep-hole; everybody whispered; and there was a lot of cigarette smoke. Intrigue, danger. But one of the lawyers was diverted by my invitation to lunch, and at lunch—he was a hearty and expensive eater—he made it clear that the torture they were protesting against wasn’t to be confused with the torture in Perón’s time.<br /><br /> He said: “When justice is the justice of the people men sometimes commit excesses. But in the final analysis the important thing is that justice should be done in the name of the people.” ……<br /><br /><br /> “There are no internal enemies,” the trade union leader said, with a smile. But at the same time he thought that torture would continue in Argentina. “A world without torture is an ideal world.” And there was torture and torture. <b>“Depende de quién sea torturado. It depends on who is tortured.</b> An evildoer, that’s all right. But a man who’s trying to save the country—that’s something else." </i><br /><br />The leftists that Naipaul interviewed had a very plastic attitude towards torture: <i>"Depende de quién sea torturado. It depends on who is being tortured." </i> That is practically a textbook definition of a double standard on human rights. According to those two leftists Naipaul interviewed, torture was good if our guys do it, bad if the police do it against us. Which doesn’t sound very different from the military gorilas’ point of view. Sounds to me as if a lot of the guerrillas and guerilla supporters were brothers under the skin to the right wing torturing military gorilas.<br /><br />After reading what Naipaul had presciently written, years before the Dirty War peaked, it is not difficult to conclude that one reason why former guerrillas, once in power, do not protest political repression coming from the left is that the repression gene was imbedded as deeply in some guerillas and guerilla supporters as it was in the miltary gorilas the left was fighting against.<br /><br />What’s that old saying, “There are no enemies on the left?” After all, Maduro is one of us. So how can we protest what he does? Solidarity forever, as the old lefty marching song said. Later on, Solidarity and Lech Walesa in Poland gave a new twist to the old leftist chestnut.<br /><br /><br />The distinguished Foreign Affairs Minister from Uruguay has forgotten a lot of history when he made the claim that the left had no double standards on human rights. Or, if the distinguished Foreign Affairs Minister from Uruguay has not forgotten a lot of history, he has difficulty discerning the truth. <br /><br />[At the same time, Naipaul made some comments about Argentina which were utter nonsense- such as claiming that Argentine women were uneducated. As long as Naipaul let his interviewees talk, and drew conclusions from what they said, he did fine. When he made sweeping generalizations not backed by conversations, he often fell flat on his feet.]<br /><br />Boludo Tejanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-85045280062950878482014-03-07T05:06:33.749+01:002014-03-07T05:06:33.749+01:00Thank you very much for this very sad but educatio...Thank you very much for this very sad but educational note. Sorry about the delay in publishing it, but stuff is going on here.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.com