tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post1771254605091526943..comments2024-03-26T00:37:34.943+01:00Comments on Venezuela News And Views: Senseless repression but the beginning of some common sense, maybe, in VenezuelaDanielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-89462427934145495222013-04-20T11:14:05.481+02:002013-04-20T11:14:05.481+02:00Tibisay said very clearly they won't count pap...Tibisay said very clearly they won't count paper ballots. Capriles is not stressing the point Tibisay is wrong. People will lose focus on this matter. This is not good.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-64590632327633124562013-04-20T03:40:31.870+02:002013-04-20T03:40:31.870+02:00He did left mid-way, though.He did left mid-way, though.Michel Garcianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-47158053324673015062013-04-20T03:38:06.230+02:002013-04-20T03:38:06.230+02:00You vote with a machine that gives you a ballot, a...You vote with a machine that gives you a ballot, and you deposit that ballot in a box. After the voting is closed, you input a command to the machine and it gives you the "acta", which has the totals each party/candidate got, null votes, and abstention, as well as the data from the voting center, mesa (table), and the machine itself. When you do the "hot audit", the ballots (in general and totals) must coincide with the "actas".Michel Garcianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-26902904966345707662013-04-20T02:02:30.843+02:002013-04-20T02:02:30.843+02:00Please see my comments in Caracas Chronicles to th...Please see my comments in Caracas Chronicles to the video and newspaper article in Spanish (the newspaper article is very damaging to the credibility of teh fingerprint process, in my opinion<br /><br />" In both cases the vote was allowed at a late hour (5:50 pm in the Youtube video, and 5:00 pm in the article in El Nacional, were it was verified by Unasur braziian representatives in Santa Rosa de Lima school, in Baruta.<br /><br />The fingerprint machines may have an algorithm that after certain hour (4:30 pm, for ex.) any person that puts his finger is allowed to vote, in his way the government can bring late voters and they can vote for other people who have not voted . . . <br /><br />Of course, this can be done only in voting stations that do not have witnesses from the Capriles side. Maybe this is the reason why witnesses form Capriles were forced out of several voting stations.<br /><br />mosesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-24722602109543399752013-04-20T01:50:43.943+02:002013-04-20T01:50:43.943+02:00Daniel - beginning of common sense? Don't get...Daniel - beginning of common sense? Don't get your hopes up. The final answer will be an engineered solution to maintain the status quo.Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16513693238751837829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-31188005429154799562013-04-19T21:20:21.241+02:002013-04-19T21:20:21.241+02:00Ladies and gentlemen, I just saw these videos, tha...Ladies and gentlemen, I just saw these videos, thanks to a caracas chronicles post comment by ralx.<br /><br />Prepared to be awed.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO57mXMSDxc<br /><br />http://el-nacional.com/politica/Unasur-presencio-irregularidades-maquinas-captahuellas_0_175182486.html<br /><br />"El mejor sistema electoral DEL MUNDO", que le dicen...kernel_panicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-31824929065928435662013-04-19T21:05:03.906+02:002013-04-19T21:05:03.906+02:00Watching part of the coronation (couldn't stom...Watching part of the coronation (couldn't stomach any more), it is clear that they have no intention of entertaining a reversal regardless of any audit. The acceptance to audit the rest of the machines was only to pacify temporarily and allow a peaceful coronation without protest. The audit will be a sham, and the rest will be history. Chavismo leveraged the peaceful nature of the opposition, and their clinging to belief that this can be resolved legally and diplomatically. I have gone from skeptical this morning when hearing of the audit approval to little hope.<br /><br />Really disappointed to see Santos attend. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-82317254650609952762013-04-19T20:43:23.037+02:002013-04-19T20:43:23.037+02:00Trust Capriles. He knows what he is doing. Trust Capriles. He knows what he is doing. margarethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-33161112372958337752013-04-19T19:15:44.134+02:002013-04-19T19:15:44.134+02:00sorry, its probably my poor spanish, what exactly...sorry, its probably my poor spanish, what exactly is the actas? is that like a transaction list? that you can take the box paper ballots and be able to look it up within the actas?Pookeyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16147498197091504348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-6748768565829582152013-04-19T18:55:27.755+02:002013-04-19T18:55:27.755+02:00Can we acertain anything when we compare the atten...Can we acertain anything when we compare the attendance rosters of chavez's funeral vs maduro's coronation?<br />I must assume that the "invitation" committee must have been pretty bussy on both occasions but it seems that the results were significantly different.<br />Perhaps is just that heads of state react better to funeral invitations? or that it was chavez? <br />Truly the list of attendees today, besides the MERCOSUR scavengers, looks a lot like a "rent-a-crowd"...I mean Haiti, StV&G, Honduras...the coffers must be running pretty low if that is all they can get. Orlandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12981548916797058549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-41598634511398351842013-04-19T17:48:37.002+02:002013-04-19T17:48:37.002+02:00Thanks for the incisive narratives.Thanks for the incisive narratives.Boludo Tejanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-7381315110859467062013-04-19T15:34:01.348+02:002013-04-19T15:34:01.348+02:00Regarding printing new paper ballots, that's n...Regarding printing new paper ballots, that's not possible in the mesas where the oppositio has the actas, any tampering within the content of the boxes will be exposed easily when it doesn't match tally.kernel_panicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-18134659530486678042013-04-19T14:58:38.194+02:002013-04-19T14:58:38.194+02:00In addition to previous comment leaning now more t...In addition to previous comment leaning now more toward conspiracy theory...because I just don't trust these snakes.<br /><br />Cne now has in their possession the list of complaints, irregularities and violations. Before they didn't know for sure what the opposition had in that list of 3200+ complaints. It is possible that the audit request reversal comes after the list was reviewed by the cne/cubans, and it was decided that they could work around it, if given enough time. <br /><br />It is possible that now with the list and knowledge of where to focus, that "adjustments" could be made, and even new paper ballots printed out (why not?). Remember they have everything to lose, nothing to gain, and complete control over all mechanisms of the vote. Just for laughs, they may even give maduro a higher margin of victory to rub the opposition's nose in it.<br /><br />In 30 days, maduro could be validated, cne vindicated, and the opposition crushed...all under the guise of democracy. Knowing who we are dealing with, tell me that they won't at least try this approach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-38271237071800844922013-04-19T14:45:04.158+02:002013-04-19T14:45:04.158+02:00As to my comment above about the CNE, I only wonde...As to my comment above about the CNE, I only wonder what took them 7 hours to reach the conclusion. Waiting from orders by whom? Give me a break!Milonganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-74034957391065782202013-04-19T14:43:57.971+02:002013-04-19T14:43:57.971+02:00Does anybody truly believe that CNE will find anyt...Does anybody truly believe that CNE will find anything on those boxes that will do anything other that confirm their first "results"? All they are saying is "we have XX boxes that we can open and we know they'll have what we need". As it is mentioned above, it might be just to buy time to go on with the crowning today, and like I said yesterday, once king maduro is proclaimed...nobody will care what CNE does afterwards...or maduro.<br />UNASUR recognized maduro and then they added "cualquier reclamo...debera ser canalizado y resuelto dentro del ordenamiento juridico vigente"...they and us know there is no "ordenamiento juridico" in Venezuela. TSJ is an agency of the regime...they've thrown Capriles and more than half of Venezuelans under the bus.<br />My read in UNASUR is that Dilma, CFR, Evo, Correa, and Pepe wanted to have a straight public recognition of maduro, but they had to add that part of "reclamos" so Humala, Piñera and Santos would go with it.<br /> Orlandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12981548916797058549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-60518629982181171332013-04-19T14:43:23.612+02:002013-04-19T14:43:23.612+02:00The Unasur declaration was absolutely shameful whi...The Unasur declaration was absolutely shameful which only proves the point by Anonymous above that the CNE is certain to control the process. But in the meantime, Capriles is exposing to the world (or to whomever wants to listen - very few I might say) the fascism of the regime. Patience and time... and no violence. Ghandi-like. Capriles keeps repeating it. It´s the extreme contrast between one attitude's and the other's that will prevail in the end. Or so I hope. The world is not an easy place to be in. I am totally and wholly depressed, sorry. Milonganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-8096513746031198772013-04-19T14:13:33.002+02:002013-04-19T14:13:33.002+02:0054% in a few hours, but 46% takes 30 days?
Not s...54% in a few hours, but 46% takes 30 days? <br /><br />Not sure the cne would have agreed to this if they didn't think that they could control the process and outcome in some way. Leopards don't change their spots.<br /><br />But as Daniel mentioned, if Capriles is happy with it, then maybe we should have faith that they will monitor it completely and not let the cne control the outcome. I just don't like the cne (chavismo) calling the shots.<br /><br />I am worried though what further damage or plundering can be done in 30+ days by these criminals, especially if they think the end is near. Will Globovision be allowed to continue as a voice for the opposition? How many public employees will be fired before then? <br /><br />The country has been in limbo for 6 months. Now that they have agreed to an audit of sorts, the pressure should be on to perform a correct and accurate audit as quickly as possible so that the country can move on to the next chapter. <br /><br />Also, there should be no more endorsement of maduro from other countries who have not already declared their "loyalty" (insert "debt" if you want).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-87554471230928343582013-04-19T12:22:03.180+02:002013-04-19T12:22:03.180+02:00The thing with the audit is that the CNE is going ...The thing with the audit is that the CNE is going to open 400 boxes per day of the remaining 46%. No mention was done of the requested audit to the actas, signing, finger-prints, etc.<br /><br />Also, no mention was done about the irregularities Capriles denounced to them. And, also, no mention was done about the boxes that were actually not audited of the 52% (there are reports of military personnel or chavistas taking the boxes before the audit was made).<br /><br />So, so far, nothing was actually gained, since, considering the CNE was the one that had the boxes from that day on, they're gonna make the boxes say exactly what the CNE website says, which, by the way, still has 98,97% of the data (inhospitable and embassies has not been added yet). If, by any chance, they actually find anything, is going to be so minuscule it's not gonna change the final result.<br /><br />I really don't expect anything from this. The regime is playing the game of normalization and desmotivation, and Capriles seems to be accepting it.Michel Garcianoreply@blogger.com