tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post3782296255376301666..comments2024-03-26T00:37:34.943+01:00Comments on Venezuela News And Views: Why Colombia did get so personal yesterday at the OAS?Danielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-90327926162712200202010-07-25T03:51:25.289+02:002010-07-25T03:51:25.289+02:00Excelent article, Daniel.Excelent article, Daniel.1979 Boat Peoplenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-13955853432057122652010-07-25T03:11:13.536+02:002010-07-25T03:11:13.536+02:00There are just 2 possibilities.The FARC camps are ...There are just 2 possibilities.The FARC camps are situated in Venezuela, or they are not.<br /><br /><br />Chavez would have us believe that he would promote the inauguration of a statue of his hero Marulanda but at the same time, that he is NOT hosting the FARC camps in Venezuela?<br /><br />Chavez breaks relationship with Colombia for what reason?For daring to "falsely" accuse Chavez of what everyone knows is a simple fact that he is hosting these camps.<br /><br />Chavez's strategy has always been to obfuscate and create a fog of contradictions and uncertainty whereas this accusation by Colombia is taking away the mask of diplomatic civility and calling a spade a spade.firepigettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348890269608169297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-32143138810828576842010-07-24T18:23:20.719+02:002010-07-24T18:23:20.719+02:00I had been thinking about Colombia's willingne...I had been thinking about Colombia's willingness to share with everyone the coordinates of the FARC campsites. Was that wise? Sure, as Hoyos said, they might be able to move the camps, but it's nearly impossible for them to erase the evidence that there was a camp in the middle of the jungle, so even if they move, they'd still prove Colombia right.<br /><br />But then I noticed all the Chavista calls to send troops and red-shirts to the frontier, and I realized that they were not sending them to support Chavez or to defend from a Colombian attack, <b>they are sending them to help FARC move the camps are erase evidence of their presence</b>.<br /><br />The detail that Chavez missed is this: now that everyone knows where the camps are, everyone (including Interpol and the people at La Haya) are looking at the live satellite pictures. And they're about to catch, live on satellite TV, as 10000 GN and red-shirts help the FARC move their camps.<br /><br />Before this, Chavez could simply claim that he didn't know the FARC campsites were there, and there was little to do to prove him wrong. But with 10000 government employees caught red-handed helping the FARC move, there's absolutely no possibility to claim innocence anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-39696947005198500972010-07-24T17:26:50.738+02:002010-07-24T17:26:50.738+02:00I think that Chavez and PSUV publicly saying they ...I think that Chavez and PSUV publicly saying they are MARXIST http://english.eluniversal.com/2010/07/23/en_ing_esp_the-psuv-manifesto_23A4229771.shtml has more than a little to do with this. It makes them no different than the violent MARXIST FARC that Colombia has been fighting for many years now. They are both the same movement!Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-90496315588117413692010-07-24T02:40:53.172+02:002010-07-24T02:40:53.172+02:00Great post Daniel
There are those including the B...Great post Daniel<br /><br />There are those including the BBC who complained that Colombia is at fault for not having presented presented the evidence immediately or at the moment it was found.<br /><br /><br />Colombia is not a local prosecutor ,it is a sovereign nation.It has no obligation to act immediately if it considers that something is not in its National interest, and is free to choose the most opportune moment.As long as there was some hope of improving relations with Venezuela, or at least maintaining the bilateral trade, they had a right to postpone<br />confronting Chavez.firepigettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348890269608169297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-11048694722659457262010-07-24T02:00:21.550+02:002010-07-24T02:00:21.550+02:00Great analysis, Daniel, and I'd wager that man...Great analysis, Daniel, and I'd wager that many in the GOC would agree with it.<br /><br />The question now - after the OAS thing yesterday and the GOV severance of relations - is what happens next? Many bemoan the break in relations, but at this point, is that so bad? Colombia can take pleasure in the fact that the GOV has shot itself in the political foot again in front of everyone, and ultimately, who suffers more from this? Not the Colombians, that's for sure.<br /><br />In that context, if one asks when relations might be renewed, does it matter to Colombia whether it's 2010 or 2011, or whenever? A bit, perhaps, but not nearly as much as it does to Venezuela. <br /><br />Coming back to the question of what happens next, I don't think the renewal of relations is the most important point; I think it's the problem of the FARC presence in Venezuela and what Colombia's going to do about it. The Colombia knows just as well as everyone else that Chavez will do nothing about this problem, which leaves it up to the Colombians, and we know what they're like, they won't do nothing forever....Tambopaxihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978665666431987347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-35558106407381082812010-07-24T01:11:26.525+02:002010-07-24T01:11:26.525+02:00Hey Juan, I'll take you up on that. FT owes me...Hey Juan, I'll take you up on that. FT owes me a bottle of something already, so why don't we make it double or nothing, that by this time next year, relations with Colombia would be back to "normal"?ABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10014152460206926913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-63336581881128316722010-07-23T23:03:46.057+02:002010-07-23T23:03:46.057+02:00JC
Writing that there is no way to go but up does...JC<br /><br />Writing that there is no way to go but up does not mean it is going to happen right then and there. I agree with you, we will make it to 2011 without relations, probably mid 2011, whatever the result of September 26 is, if we still vote that day.....Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-42278598719122037862010-07-23T22:43:34.390+02:002010-07-23T22:43:34.390+02:00"This one will take office with a situation c..."This one will take office with a situation cleared up with Venezuela. Bad and negative situation for sure, but a clear one for which there is no other way but up."<br /><br />You guys seem to think that the situation with Venezuela is just a temporary lovers' spat.<br /><br />I'd be willing to wage money that by this time next year, relations with Venezuela have not been re-established.<br /><br />I hope I'm wrong.Juan Cristobalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-34184515853988073042010-07-23T22:06:39.254+02:002010-07-23T22:06:39.254+02:00Hey, among us veneco bloggers, I must have been th...Hey, among us veneco bloggers, I must have been the first one to say that Uribe was outchavezing Chavez. He continues to do so. Uribe no da puntada sin hilo. That does not mean he's an infallible saint, and we can't criticise him. Saying that he's a hypocrite, does not detract from the fact that his country is better of, heaps more, than when he took over 8 years ago. That, in my book, is the best measure of a leader.ABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10014152460206926913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-82233473676956998152010-07-23T21:52:38.492+02:002010-07-23T21:52:38.492+02:00AB
Well, you were more negative on Uribe than I a...AB<br /><br />Well, you were more negative on Uribe than I am.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-8713789797022250922010-07-23T21:22:00.294+02:002010-07-23T21:22:00.294+02:00Why would you be surprised? I have written things ...Why would you be surprised? I have written things that resemble a great deal what you wrote.ABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10014152460206926913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-35019565267443372922010-07-23T19:49:25.856+02:002010-07-23T19:49:25.856+02:00Daniel,
Yours was the first calm, rational, and w...Daniel,<br /><br />Yours was the first calm, rational, and well thought out analysis of this event I have read so far. I think that if you haven't got it "spot on", you are in the "nine" ring.Roynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-49337592836090744542010-07-23T19:18:11.348+02:002010-07-23T19:18:11.348+02:00Colombians in the know that when shit happens in V...<i>Colombians in the know that when shit happens in Venezuela they will be left alone to take care of the collateral damage, and probably pay for it alone too as certainly it will not be the Brazilian companies that got rich at the expense of the break down of the Colombia Venezuela trade that will chip in much for the refugees camp inside Colombia.</i><br /><br />Indeed. You see Uribe and Santos taking the long view, and in the long view, it appears that Chávez will leave power only as a result of the collapse of Venezuela, which will result in a massive influx of refugees to Colombia. It appears that Chávez will not leave as a result of elections. He can finesse loss of the legislature by emasculating the legislature and by his already having created alternate institutions. Regarding presidential elections: he has control of the electoral machinery- which would also suggest he would not lose control of the legislature. With the electoral path shut off, collapse is the only way Chávez will leave power.<br /><br />And Colombia will reap the whirlwind.Boludo Tejanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-37506637297055650442010-07-23T19:15:39.592+02:002010-07-23T19:15:39.592+02:00Alek, coming from you it is quite unexpected. ;)Alek, coming from you it is quite unexpected. ;)Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-91638494369046378762010-07-23T18:35:46.365+02:002010-07-23T18:35:46.365+02:00great analysis mon cher...
also, to prove that th...great analysis mon cher...<br /><br />also, to prove that the OAS is perhaps the most useless diplomatic organism there is nowadays, thanks to Ch petrodollarsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-1869425286656132022010-07-23T18:28:21.194+02:002010-07-23T18:28:21.194+02:00I totally agree with you Daniel. Spot on.I totally agree with you Daniel. Spot on.ABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10014152460206926913noreply@blogger.com