tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post8051762445584933821..comments2024-03-26T00:37:34.943+01:00Comments on Venezuela News And Views: How to hold an electoral campaign under Venezuela neo-fascism?Danielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-63964258938156322082013-11-08T00:13:22.434+01:002013-11-08T00:13:22.434+01:00triste ver lo mismo una y otra vez y otra vez. no ...triste ver lo mismo una y otra vez y otra vez. no importa cuantas lecciones se hagan, no importa cunata gente le de pataletas, gobiernos totalitarios nunca admitiran su derrota, pues sus seguidores viven de ello!. Venezuela tiene por lo menos un par de generacions con el cerebro totalmente lavado. 50% esta (increible pero cierto!!) a favor del gobierno y el otro 50% esta sin saber que hacer, pues nadie se atreve a sacrificar su vida, si, en estos casos SI es posible que corran la suerte de muchos que ya no veran mas una Venezuela libre. nadie se atreve a dar el primer paso, todos seguimos bailando al compaz de la orquesta de estos gobiernos. ELECCIONES? las elecciones que estos convocan son simple pantalla para decir que existe un clima democratico. en mas de 50 anhos, en gobierno de CUBA no ha sido reconocido como una dictadura! nosotros ya vamos por casi un tercio de ese tiempo... y yo creo que aun nos falta ver las otras 2/3 partes.<br /><br />deprimenteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-8422069228034261582013-11-04T16:47:38.293+01:002013-11-04T16:47:38.293+01:00Methinks you have a low frustration tolerance Kepl...Methinks you have a low frustration tolerance Kepler, but in any case on this blog it is an unwritten law by Daniel for me not to mention my ideas on the matter again, so no worries there.Perhaps instead you can look up authoritarian thinking and study that one.Might be useful....just sayin' as some would say.firepighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15158275219887987252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-23874663814080170232013-11-03T11:48:06.270+01:002013-11-03T11:48:06.270+01:00Firepig,
Please: it would be better if you promote...Firepig,<br />Please: it would be better if you promote abstention in Carolina.<br />Don't keep annoying us with that here.<br />They tried it already and it was a disaster. By the way: it actually never worked anywhere else.<br />Participation is the key. But it's a waste of time to discuss that with you here.<br />Just don't mention it any longer. Do that in blogs about Carolina (North or South, I don't care, it's their business to respond you)<br /><br /> Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-16087135815440126452013-11-02T23:09:53.356+01:002013-11-02T23:09:53.356+01:00Syd
You have broken the strictest rule. Slug it o...Syd<br /><br />You have broken the strictest rule. Slug it out as you wish with whomever you want here BUT on this blog published comments, not on whatever happened elsewhere. Thank you for your understanding.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-45249369083202045692013-11-02T23:06:22.914+01:002013-11-02T23:06:22.914+01:00Cochonette de feu
We are in a war. Plurality of o...Cochonette de feu<br /><br />We are in a war. Plurality of opinión is a luxury, one we can rarely indulgencia in.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-46172586836641071782013-11-02T15:28:26.077+01:002013-11-02T15:28:26.077+01:00nicely stated, anon. Unfortunately, your good coun...nicely stated, anon. Unfortunately, your good counsel to a US-based/US citizen who repeatedly calls for abstention among the oppos in the upcoming elections, will do no good. Others have tried to reason with her, on previous lead-ups to elections. And still she persists in manipulating and attempting to sabotage our efforts. We know she is not chavista. We know she's a fantasist. And in this instance, we see nothing more than a petulant echa vaina in need of attention.sydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-10980471912371267542013-11-02T15:21:17.574+01:002013-11-02T15:21:17.574+01:00Thank you for your sanity, Daniel.
Can you imagi...Thank you for your sanity, Daniel. <br /><br />Can you imagine if we were to bombard this 'firepigette' tipa with repeated negative and manipulative messages, prior to US elections? Elections which, as we know, are not totally immune from a certain lack of transparency...<br /><br />Circuitous and cloudy calls for honesty from a woman who sabotages comments in another blog by interjecting a secondary persona, under the handle of "pamona", is the ultimate in gall. I can only think -- and I'm not the first to note it: QUÉ LADILLA.sydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-69529704842509755272013-11-02T12:08:47.467+01:002013-11-02T12:08:47.467+01:00Daniel,
Sabotage? An opinion from a" nobody&...Daniel,<br /><br />Sabotage? An opinion from a" nobody" as they would say in Venezuela is hardly sabotage.I should think you would find a plurality of opinion a good thing actually.Plurality is a democratic impulse.<br /><br />In any case LONG is what you will bel looking at should you choose the "voting" method.Safe is hardly the case.This regime allows high amounts of crime to flourish.<br /><br />And no I did not mention nor did I envision any sort of weaponry.<br /><br />Firepigette<br /><br />firepighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15158275219887987252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-28677061879304065462013-11-02T06:38:26.113+01:002013-11-02T06:38:26.113+01:00Short of leading yourself the revolt from the fron...Short of leading yourself the revolt from the front line wielding some weaponry I suggest that you not sabotage those who prefer longer but safer and surer method such as voting to expose the fraud. If you boycott the election the regime does not need to prove anything.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-41583208480960947642013-11-02T02:54:28.724+01:002013-11-02T02:54:28.724+01:00When they perish, fascist Governments tends to des...When they perish, fascist Governments tends to destroy as much of "their" country as they can, because they feel themselves as the soul of the country... and they know there will be truth commissions, of course. Lemmy Cautionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-80492183758976505822013-11-02T01:07:54.232+01:002013-11-02T01:07:54.232+01:00Honest participation means permanently boycotting ...Honest participation means permanently boycotting elections until it is no longer necessary.Boycotting elections is the only thing honest in the case.In dictatorships there are no true elections, therefore they must be boycotted.Anything less is only a confusion.<br /><br />firepigette<br /><br />firepighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15158275219887987252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-88106150221989150462013-11-02T00:58:22.500+01:002013-11-02T00:58:22.500+01:00Agreed...not voting accomplishes nothing...The opp...Agreed...not voting accomplishes nothing...The opposition and the people have learned from that ploy already. They are past it. Even with all kinds of voter fraud, threats, violence, intimidation, and blackmail the Venezuelan people have shown not to just the country, but the world, via the fraudulent electoral process and "chocuto" of 14A, that things are not well inside Chavismo or the model it espouses. People who knew nothing of it before are now talking about it. I took a cab a month ago and we got into a convo about VNZA. Before I could barely utter a word he said Maduro is illegitimate. This coming from a guy, from a small Mexican town driving a taxi in NY. Now he may not be able to do anything about it, nor I, however the world knows and when the time comes the world will be behind the enormous changes coming to VNZA after 8D. There will be no rescue for Chavismo or Maduro as was attempted in Honduras after the Zelaya fiasco. Voting keeps exposing the fraud and intensifies the reaction to it. Imagine if there had been voter abstention since 2005? Where would we be today? Votar en 8D y Desenchufalo ! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-73622459413195809562013-11-01T19:11:47.791+01:002013-11-01T19:11:47.791+01:00Even amongst the 25%, it is not so much "beli...Even amongst the 25%, it is not so much "belief", as it is a willful suspension of disbelief.Roynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-22257674516021923842013-11-01T04:39:22.010+01:002013-11-01T04:39:22.010+01:00Getting better at their game; I support this messa...Getting better at their game; I support this message, in spite of the disadvantages drummed up by the regime. Que Dios bendiga a Venezuela el 8D.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_quBE1QupQ&feature=youtu.besydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-23568621078576500972013-11-01T03:52:55.772+01:002013-11-01T03:52:55.772+01:00yes, only you know the right path to take, firepig...yes, only you know the right path to take, firepigette, though you're not on it. Thank you for that umpteenth lecture. Don't call us, we'll call you when we need your voting advice.sydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-2512666640602299092013-11-01T03:47:40.964+01:002013-11-01T03:47:40.964+01:00Honest participation in Vzlan elections under the ...Honest participation in Vzlan elections under the current regime??<br /><br />What the hell planet are you on, firepigette? Have you not understood the realities? Maybe if you wrote honestly and directly without the double-talk, airy-fairy poetry, or nonsensical comparisons to Belarus, we could all communicate a lot more efficiently -- and honestly.<br /><br />Some people really need to shoot off their mouths, to pretend to know what they're saying, when it's obvious by their lack of clarity, that they haven't much of a clue. sydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-87659215915601543482013-11-01T03:39:47.493+01:002013-11-01T03:39:47.493+01:00and once again we're regaled by the armchair o...and once again we're regaled by the armchair opinion of US citizen, firepigette, who does NOT vote in any Venezuelan election, but doesn't hesitate to call oppos naÏve for doing so (Ain't she special?), and who calls for non-voting. What's wrong with this woman that she doesn't get it? Waiting for whiney airy-fairy poetry as rebuttal ... three... two ... one..sydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-35343826824233973352013-10-31T21:34:09.320+01:002013-10-31T21:34:09.320+01:00The suggestion that the opposition boycott the ele...The suggestion that the opposition boycott the elections is sabotage from Chavismo. Think about it. If the opposition doesn't vote, then Chavismo wins. Maduro and his Cuban handlers must be posing as opposition and sending out suggestions that the opposition not vote. Pure and simple. I have to go make some posters with Maduro's face titled sabotage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-64424703977049126162013-10-31T19:10:31.844+01:002013-10-31T19:10:31.844+01:00"Do people actually believe what is written o..."Do people actually believe what is written on these posters and that the opposition is responsible for these acts of sabotage or do they laugh at them and think they are ridiculous?"<br /><br />There is a hard core Chavista % that believes everything that comes out against the opposition - probably about 25% of the voters although with all the problems it may be less.<br />They watch the state media which is a 24 hour propaganda machine. They don't listen to anything else. Reality is a fantasy for the rest of the world.<br /><br />The rest of the population just laughs. We have so many things to laugh about each day that it just overwhelms you.<br />Read the headlines any day of the week and there are a selection of headlines, quotes from various ministers, that just bring a smile to your face. None have any basis in reality - they are aimed at the 25%.<br /><br />When various posters say we live in the Wonderland of Alice they are 100% accurate. <br /><br />You have to live here to experience it..Island Canucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-84389083099851399842013-10-31T18:52:43.330+01:002013-10-31T18:52:43.330+01:00Anon. obviously we do not see ojo to ojo on this ...Anon. obviously we do not see ojo to ojo on this issue, and so very useless to continue back and forth....I end my discussion with a call to look at past faulty thinking.Your ideas have been the ones to be followed for the past years,with obviously poor results.<br /><br />ps I never said not to participate ,,,you are misquoting me.I said honest participation.Honest participation in my opinion would be for the first time a real participation in the democratic process.Right now the only thing voting does is strengthen the illusion of democratic participation, just as it does in Belarus.firepighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15158275219887987252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-1965817728757261032013-10-31T18:52:05.857+01:002013-10-31T18:52:05.857+01:00Thank you for your blog Daniel. Do people actuall...Thank you for your blog Daniel. Do people actually believe what is written on these posters and that the opposition is responsible for these acts of sabotage or do they laugh at them and think they are ridiculous?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-44150226858803134722013-10-31T18:48:35.158+01:002013-10-31T18:48:35.158+01:00Agree, 100%. After every election, the people kno...Agree, 100%. After every election, the people know the real result. Oh, not exactly to be sure, but they know it in their hearts to within a few percentage points. The more the Chavistas have to cheat, the more obvious is their illegitimacy.Roynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-41845629627050943712013-10-31T18:09:30.393+01:002013-10-31T18:09:30.393+01:00(same annonymous as above, obv.)
Going to electio...(same annonymous as above, obv.)<br /><br />Going to elections to vote against Chavizmo has nothing to do with hoping to win the election. It has to do with lack of plausible alternatives and to require Chavizmo to fake the elections. Every time they do it, they're called out. The results aren't apperent, but the fig leaf is chipped away. Without that, it stays where it is, a government where 70% of population didn't turn out to vote was democratically elected.<br /><br />Your premise, that non-participation accomplishes anything else, is wrong. Sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-36316204414798975682013-10-31T15:36:21.924+01:002013-10-31T15:36:21.924+01:00And yet Che ended up without hands. He had no use ...And yet Che ended up without hands. He had no use for them, like Chavez he never did a good day's work in his life, just pure blabla. Similarly, when the time comes, Maduro should have his brain amputated since he has no use for it. At the same time, they might as well get rid of the rest..Charlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-45370277638747840512013-10-31T14:39:28.155+01:002013-10-31T14:39:28.155+01:00Anonymous,
Not really.The Cancer of Chavismo was ...Anonymous,<br /><br />Not really.The Cancer of Chavismo was well planned way before that, and non voting was never well planned at all.It has to be massive and relentless and accompanied by resolve and international communication.<br /><br />Every year this" proving" and such has been talked about and goes nowhere.<br /><br />The only thing the opposition is unwilling to do is vote for an honest candidate like MCM, and or behave like they live in a dictatorship( which they do).<br /><br />It is not part of a democratic strategy to pretend to have honest voting, it is part of a democratic strategy to first recognize the lack of democracy and the impossibility of winning through votes, in order to do something about it,starting with truth telling.The last 10 years have been a total farce.<br /><br />I am not talking about non participation, I am talking about honest participation.firepigettefirepighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15158275219887987252noreply@blogger.com