tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post8952377458365621554..comments2024-03-26T00:37:34.943+01:00Comments on Venezuela News And Views: Aedes aegyptiDanielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-46711399544838444172011-02-07T18:03:59.781+01:002011-02-07T18:03:59.781+01:00An interesting news from Iran
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Iran's &...An interesting news from Iran<br /><br />"<br />Iran's 'Day of Rage' <br />"<br /><br />http://www.payvand.com/news/11/feb/1057.html1979 Boat Peoplenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-78905218271956530392011-02-07T17:05:01.993+01:002011-02-07T17:05:01.993+01:00I think there is an ideological bias, but it is a ...I think there is an ideological bias, but it is a subtle one.The mainstream media is not in favor of dictatorship nor communism, and in clear cut cases it is easier for them to take a stand.<br /><br />In Chavez's case he was first democratically elected on the platform of helping the poor, redistribution of wealth in an unjust society, and overcoming all kinds of short comings of the previous governments.As he started to encroach upon liberties, he was given the benefit of the doubt because of his " lofty" goals.<br /><br />It is always hard to be the first one to break consensus and the media basically accepted Chavez's version of events that the protests were done by the middle class protesting their loss of privileges.<br /><br />Of course by the size of demonstrations you would have to think that Venezuela had an enormous middle class :)firepigettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348890269608169297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-8303033766789729132011-02-07T16:05:35.908+01:002011-02-07T16:05:35.908+01:00yes kepler, they were big, they happened all the t...yes kepler, they were big, they happened all the time and i managed to attend several of them even though i lived in san felipe and i did not know what a blog was then.<br /><br />i will also quote from the above post in case you missed<br /><br />" our marches and rallies had little to envy the Egyptian ones today, all population proportions considered!!!!!" <br /><br />which is an elegant way for me to say that in 2002 the marches might have been even bigger than in egypt.<br /><br />in fact the biggest march in venezuelan history to that date was the one held in october 2001 in caracas which i attended, making the trip just for that one, even though at la cabrera the nazional guard started stopping buses for the first time, something that became routine in posterior marches.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-30636646057549952412011-02-07T15:39:09.499+01:002011-02-07T15:39:09.499+01:00I have and had quite a few very good working relat...I have and had quite a few very good working relationships with guys & galls from Tunisia, Marokko and iranian expats here in Germany. Our position towards arab countries was way too cynical. <br />Any Middle East expert I consider serious says, that the islamist threat to Egypt is highly exagerated in western media. <br />We have a very successfull islamist light Government in Turkey. Guess that in the last 4 years I haven't met one turkish german person, who didn't tell a story about a cousin who went back to Turkey and is thriving there. <br />Also there is this shii/suni thing. <br />There seems to be a moderate branch in Muslim Brotherhood. <br />They have smart bloggers like sandmonkey. <br /><br />The Mubarak Government sucked big time. Appears to be like Chavismo without the Che Guevara bells and whistles (good), but much more violent against opposition (plain evil).Lemmy Cautionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-118487032103561232011-02-07T13:59:34.176+01:002011-02-07T13:59:34.176+01:00Daniel,
Can you tell me those protests were nearl...Daniel,<br /><br />Can you tell me those protests were nearly as large as those in Egypt?<br /><br />Besides, the main point is this:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World_%28report%29<br />It's been 30 years of dictatorship. As much as Venezuelans are fed up with Chávez, you can't compare 2002 Venezuela with 3 years of Chávez government and the media as it was back then with Egypt in the last decades.<br />It's not worth it and we don't have to.<br />Venezuela has a dictatorship that is getting worse and its crimes stand on their own.<br /><br />Have Venezuela with a situation similar to that of Egypt in ten years and you will see. The world's reaction would be swifter to support a change.<br />We hope the change for good happens in two or three years, of course.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-75028050159898553922011-02-07T13:38:31.271+01:002011-02-07T13:38:31.271+01:00Well, it definitely wasn't "lefty media b...Well, it definitely wasn't "lefty media bias", since the revolutions in, for example Ukraine and Georgia<br />found broad support in the media, and they were ousting quasi-communist governments.<br /><br />I think the keys are that 2002 wasn't long after 1999, and the question of popular support for Chavez within Venezuela was an open one, not obvious as in Egypt.jeffry househttp://jeffryhouse.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-12529718124705024652011-02-07T12:58:28.312+01:002011-02-07T12:58:28.312+01:00Kepler
You are wrong: in 2002 there had been days...Kepler<br /><br />You are wrong: in 2002 there had been days of protest before April 11. In fact there had been almost a weekly protest day since October 2002.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-77024536402534962182011-02-07T11:24:12.258+01:002011-02-07T11:24:12.258+01:00Anonymous,
Comparing the events of 2002 in Venezu...Anonymous,<br /><br />Comparing the events of 2002 in Venezuela with those of Egypt makes very little sense.<br /><br />Most of the people who went to protest in Venezuela did that in Caracas. Almost all of those I know from Valencia and places further away from Caracas, places that are as far from Caracas as Alexandria from Cairo went to Caracas. People in Alexandria protested in Alexandria.<br /><br />Venezuelans protested on 11 April and that was about it.<br />Egyptians have been doing that for days and days.<br />And then you have that Chávez had been in power only since 1999.<br /><br />Mubarak has been in power for 30 years already. Pears, apples...this is not a "lefty media conspiracy", for Goodness sake.<br /><br />Regarding education in Tunisia: the average Tunesian definitely has a better education level than a Venezuelan.<br /><br />This just gives you a hint:<br />http://www.pisa.oecd.org/dataoecd/54/12/46643496.pdf<br />The Venezuelan government refuses to take part in the PISA programme, but if it did, Venezuelan pupils would definitely score well below Kyrgyzstan.<br /><br />Tunisia is definitely much more secular than Egypt.<br /><br />The West keeps financing Saudi Arabia's regime, which is financing big time some of the most radical islamist everywhere else.<br />This should be priority, but I reckon oil trumps it all.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-10599655398221322672011-02-07T05:19:48.409+01:002011-02-07T05:19:48.409+01:00anonymous 2
well, you made my point against the i...anonymous 2<br /><br />well, you made my point against the international press even more telling....Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-77231682774670682142011-02-07T04:39:12.251+01:002011-02-07T04:39:12.251+01:00as a percentage of the population the protest in V...as a percentage of the population the protest in Venezuela were significantly large. It is not even close. in CCS alone we approached 1mil out of 23 mil. in Cairo you would need 4mil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-57748670343035721152011-02-07T03:08:00.774+01:002011-02-07T03:08:00.774+01:00Hi Daniel since you know plenty about the agricult...Hi Daniel since you know plenty about the agricultural sector I thought you might be interested in these two articles.<br />http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/world/africa/17bread.html<br />and<br />http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MB02Ak01.html<br />The implications for Venezuela are terrible, just awful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-76059911069348855992011-02-07T02:51:21.094+01:002011-02-07T02:51:21.094+01:00UCC
I would not throw around the word socialist a...UCC<br /><br />I would not throw around the word socialist as easily as you do. When we forget about graduations and accurate vocabulary that is when we play into the hands of people like Chavez.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128609182544333477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080946.post-63322589915659710632011-02-07T02:36:20.333+01:002011-02-07T02:36:20.333+01:00The press supported Chavez because he is a sociali...The press supported Chavez because he is a socialist. Period. That is all the reason they need.<br /><br />So yes, with the press being so biased they become combatants.GeronLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13145189615256636055noreply@blogger.com